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WARNING: Trans Women Advertising as Biological Women

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Hi guys,

I’m American, so I’ll write in English.

I want to bring up a sensitive but important topic. I know this can be difficult or distressing for some, but I believe it needs to be discussed openly and honestly.

I have reasons to believe that a number of profiles advertising as biological women on danish escort sites are actually trans women who have undergone extensive transition and surgery. When transition is started early and the work is done well, it can be extremely difficult to tell the difference. Modern neovaginas can be virtually indistinguishable from biological ones.

But there are subtle tells if you have done enough research. I’ve come across profiles where I have strong indications that the person is trans, but they are presenting and advertising themselves as biological women. I will not name any specific profiles here yet, as I don’t want to make accusations without solid proof.

That said, I suspect some of you may have unknowingly been deceived.

I’m raising this because I believe transparency and informed consent in this space are extremely important. So I wanted to ask: Have any of you had similar experiences or suspicions? Are there signs, patterns, or details worth sharing? I think this is a topic that deserves honest discussion.

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If your mind says it is a woman you are togheter with and have a wonderful experience, then what is the problem?

I once hooked up with what I thought was a woman in Berlin. She took me to a place where i had blowjob and sex. She was very skilled in making me believe and first at the end I found out that it was the ass I fucked. Place too dark and narrow for full nudity which might help her do this. Kind of strange but sex was great. In this case I woulf understand a man getting upset by the fraud. A transgender full functional...? To know it makes it perhaps even more exciting, not to know it and you don't notice anything...? (wouldn't bother me much)

I would say that it could be very bad trying to jugde by indication and personal experience and weak signs whatever it might be

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AllanD skrev, for 45 minutter siden:

I will not name any specific profiles here yet, as I don’t want to make accusations without solid proof.

I personally do not like that “yet”, because what proof are you talking about.

I think they should be honest about it, but it is not up to someone else to disclose it

As a mom to a trans son (girl switching to boy) I know a lot about the community. And know their struggle for acceptance in society.

I don’t know any trans person that would not be honest about it, because they know how much deceiving people would hurt the LGBT community in general.

But of course if they should do it any where it probably would be in this grey zone of prostitution where not many would talk public about it afterwards. I just really don’t hope so.

But to be taking in to consideration, if a person wants people to use a certain pronouns that is to be accepted, if they have changed their name, the old name is considered a Dead name not to be used. So it is no ones right to publicly call anyone out for bring trans.

In my opinion it is to be talked about under four eyes, you can tell them you think it is wrong to advertise as a woman. But what they do is their choice. And they consequences they may face if they deceive a person willing to hurt them is also a chance they are taking if any one is able to proof anything.

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Hedonis skrev, for 17 minutter siden:

If your mind says it is a woman you are togheter with and have a wonderful experience, then what is the problem?

I once hooked up with what I thought was a woman in Berlin. She took me to a place where i had blowjob and sex. She was very skilled in making me believe and first at the end I found out that it was the ass I fucked. Place too dark and narrow for full nudity which might help her do this. Kind of strange but sex was great. In this case I woulf understand a man getting upset by the fraud. A transgender full functional...? To know it makes it perhaps even more exciting, not to know it and you don't notice anything...? (wouldn't bother me much)

I would say that it could be very bad trying to jugde by indication and personal experience and weak signs whatever it might be

It might not be a problem for you. But for many it is, including me. I wish to have sex with "real" biological women, not men who have underwent extensive surgery to look feminine or have altered their genitals. That is my preference, shared with many others.

It would feel like a massive deception. I would feel incredibly disgusted and that is just me being honest. That is how I would feel.

Another rational factor, based on pure statistics and nothing else, the STD risk profiles and HIV probability are magnitudes higher among trans women.

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SweettieDK skrev, for 22 minutter siden:

I personally do not like that “yet”, because what proof are you talking about.

I think they should be honest about it, but it is not up to someone else to disclose it

As a mom to a trans son (girl switching to boy) I know a lot about the community. And know their struggle for acceptance in society.

I don’t know any trans person that would not be honest about it, because they know how much deceiving people would hurt the LGBT community in general.

But of course if they should do it any where it probably would be in this grey zone of prostitution where not many would talk public about it afterwards. I just really don’t hope so.

But to be taking in to consideration, if a person wants people to use a certain pronouns that is to be accepted, if they have changed their name, the old name is considered a Dead name not to be used. So it is no ones right to publicly call anyone out for bring trans.

In my opinion it is to be talked about under four eyes, you can tell them you think it is wrong to advertise as a woman. But what they do is their choice. And they consequences they may face if they deceive a person willing to hurt them is also a chance they are taking if any one is able to proof anything.

I have no problem with trans people's existence. I don't care. People should free to be who they want to be. It's their business. But I do expect them to be honest and transparent about this with anyone they have sex with, as this is a MAJOR thing for most people.

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AllanD skrev, for 48 minutter siden:

I have no problem with trans people's existence. I don't care. People should free to be who they want to be. It's their business. But I do expect them to be honest and transparent about this with anyone they have sex with, as this is a MAJOR thing for most people.

In my opinion it should be legally considered rape, if the person deceives someone like that.

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AllanD skrev, for 50 minutter siden:

But I do expect them to be honest and transparent about this with anyone they have sex with, as this is a MAJOR thing for most people.

And I agree, but despite of that it is not your right to expose anyone. You can have the talk with the person in question. You can advise them to be honest etc. And that is if you have the courage to confront the person.

Still you didn’t answer my question what proff would you think was enough to name names in here.

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If a trans-woman has had a high enough quality of operation to fool me, good on her! 😂

I reckon my only issue would be with the intention behind the lie, or omission of truth.. Was it out of shame? A desire to trick me? Something else?
That would be my metric for judging them - intention. If it was malicious, we've got a problem. Shame or embarrassment, I'd probably be understanding.

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Hedonis skrev, for 2 timer siden:

She was very skilled in making me believe

Yeah well that kind a contradicts my well meant beliefs in all of them being honest. I might be blinded by just been walking pride in Aarhus Saturday. Where they proudly and head held high, show who they are. But of course not every trans person og any other Lgbt person shows up.

Argent skrev, 1 time siden:

I reckon my only issue would be with the intention behind the lie, or omission of truth..

This part made me remember the other side of things. And actually the biggest fact. While in transition fase they have no choice to be honest or the person eventually figuring it out. But after full transition many might just want to be what they always felt like inside. I don’t think they want to be malicious in any way. They just want to leave the past behind and be the person they in their mind always was. Live full and completely as the gender they always were inside. Only the body was wrong.

So I don’t think it is shame of any of the above (you listed) but simply they don’t want to even give the old wrong body another thought, talk about it, be reminded of all the pain and mental suffering they have been trough. But I also think people have to know a trans person to have a chance to understand it.

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AllanD skrev, for 5 timer siden:

I wish to have sex with "real" biological women, not men who have underwent extensive surgery to look feminine or have altered their genitals. That is my preference, shared with many others.

Ja, dit ønske om fuld transparens deles af en del andre. Det vidner gamle tråde om samme emne om.

Heroverfor står kvindens ønske om at blive accepteret som kvinde. Hun er, som @SweettieDK siger, gået langt i hendes bestræbelser på at lægge fortiden som mand bag sig. Der er nok ikke noget, hun ønsker sig mere, end at verden skal opfatte hende som 100% kvinde.

Jeg synes, det er en svær problemstilling, for begge parter kan ikke samtidigt få det, som man selv helst vil. Og for begge parter føles det forkert at give efter og acceptere den andens holdning.

Så er vi omvendt også en del, som ikke går så meget op i, hvad kvindens baggrund er, men mere har fokus på, om det er en sød og rar person, man har med at gøre. Vi har typisk ikke så travlt med at overbevise andre om, at de pinedød skal have den samme holdning med os.

Du siger, at du ønsker en debat om emnet, @AllanD. Dem, der mener det samme som dig, ønsker sjældent en debat, men snarere at flage egne holdninger, og det er der en risiko for, at tråden her også udvikler sig til.

Jeg kan egentlig godt følge dit ønske om transparens, og når det er vigtigt for dig, så synes jeg ret godt om @SweettieDKs forslag om at spørge pigen under fire øjne, når du møder hende. Men for dig, @AllanD, er det jo ikke uden risiko at spørge. For er kvinden faktisk født som kvinde, bliver hun måske stødt over for spørgsmål. Og var hun født som mand, bringer du måske hende i forlegenhed, og så selv har spildt din tid med at opsøge hende, når nu dine præferencer ikke går i hendes retning.

Så derfor er det jo nemmest for dig, hvis pigen bare i sin annonce skrev, at hun var født som mand. Men for hende er det jo netop det, hun har sagt farvel til og formentlig meget nødigt vil forbindes med. Du tænker “hvorfor kan hun ikke bare være ærlig?”. Hun tænker “hvorfor fokusere på en fortid, som ikke kommer igen, kan han ikke bare acceptere mig, som jeg er?” Det er svært at se en løsning, som begge inderst inde vil være tilfreds med.

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Den_glade_amatør skrev, for 9 timer siden:

Jeg kan egentlig godt følge dit ønske om transparens, og når det er vigtigt for dig, så synes jeg ret godt om @SweettieDKs forslag om at spørge pigen under fire øjne, når du møder hende. Men for dig, @AllanD, er det jo ikke uden risiko at spørge. For er kvinden faktisk født som kvinde, bliver hun måske stødt over for spørgsmål.

Korrekt. Det kan selvfølgelig også være relevant for at undgå at være sammen med en trans. Men mit forslag her mest sammenhæng til den detalje jeg starter med at kommentere på. At han ikke har nævnt navne ENDNU. Hvor jeg opfordrer til i stedet for at nævne navne herinde. Så tal med dem, påtal problemstillingen, opfordrer dem til ærlighed. Men hvad annoncør gør efterfølgende er jo stadig deres valg.

Han har stadig ikke svaret med hvilke beviser han mener at mangle inden han nævner navne.

Men ja den er svær også i forhold til om det ville være ok at nævne navne. For er det falsk annonce. Hvis hun har ægte billeder, overholder sine aftaler, både mht til tid, pris, ydelser etc. falder det ikke under den klassiske “falsk annoncering”.

Hun opfatter sig selv som kvinde, og hvis resultatet er så godt man skal bruge lup for at afgøre det så er det dælme svært. En ting er helt sikkert der må ingen tvivl være hvis der overhovedet skal nævnes navne.

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Mit største problem med trådstarters ønske er nok, at det for mig at se afspejler holdningen “Jeg har denne mening om emnet, og selvom andre har andre holdninger, bør de jo kunne se, at jeg har ret og i øvrigt gøre, som jeg synes”. Det udgangspunkt er sjældent befordrende for en konstruktiv dialog.

SweettieDK skrev, 1 time siden:

Hun opfatter sig selv som kvinde, og hvis resultatet er så godt man skal bruge lup for at afgøre det så er det dælme svært.

Jeg har før stillet det op på denne måde: Hvis du har haft et fantastisk besøg hos en kvinde og så måneder senere erfarer, at pågældende kvinde var født som mand, gør det så din oplevelse frygtelig, eller holder du fast i den første følelse af, at besøget var fantastisk? @AllanD og @Booba ville jo nok føle, at de havde været ude for et overgreb, mens @Hedonis, @Argent og jeg nok ville trække på smilebåndet over, at vi ikke fangede noget i situationen og derudover fastholde den gode fornemmelse af et lækkert besøg. Sådan er vi så forskellige.

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Ja, jeg skal ikke kunne sige, hvad jeg har været sammen med. Jeg har bestemt indtryk af at de alle har været kvinder.

Dybest set må jeg indrømme, at som købesex betyder det måske ikke så meget, om det er en kvinde eller mand, der er transformeret til en kvinde. Er hun sød, lækker og spreder benene for mig og ikke har et vedhæng mellem benene, så vil jeg nok føle mig tilfreds - hvad enten det er en kvinde eller en tidligere mand. Jeg køber trods alt bare en times nydelse, og får jeg den, så er jeg nok godt tilfreds.

Det vil derimod være noget helt andet, hvis det var en partner. Mødte jeg kvinde, der var en tidligere mand, med henblik på et parhold, så ville det nok være meget rart fra starten at få at vide, at hun ikke er født som kvinde og derfor heller ikke kan få børn, hvis jeg skulle have nogen sådan (har nu rigeligt allerede synes jeg :-)

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Den_glade_amatør skrev, den 2.6.2026 at 11:34:

Mit største problem med trådstarters ønske

Enig. Mit problem er, også helt generelt, folk der starter en debat og trækker sig fra at deltage. Når ikke alle er enige. Det støtter op om det du skriver at de ser en sandhed, til trods for han ønsker åben dialog om emnet.

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ensomfyr skrev, den 6/2/2026 at 9:02 PM:

Yes, I can't say who I've been with. I definitely have the impression that they've all been women.

Basically, I have to admit that as a purchased sex, it may not matter that much whether it's a woman or a man who has transformed into a woman. If she's sweet, delicious and spreads her legs for me and doesn't have an appendage between her legs, then I'll probably feel satisfied - whether it's a woman or a former man. After all, I'm just buying an hour of pleasure, and if I get it, I'll probably be very satisfied.

On the other hand, it would be something completely different if it was a partner. If I met a woman who was a former man, with a view to a couple, it would probably be very nice to be told from the start that she wasn't born a woman and therefore can't have children if I were to have someone like that (I think I have plenty already :-)

Why do you have such low standards?

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Argent skrev, den 6/1/2026 at 7:48 PM:

If a trans-woman has had a high enough quality of operation to fool me, good on her! 😂

I reckon my only issue would be with the intention behind the lie, or omission of truth.. Was it out of shame? A desire to trick me? Something else?
That would be my metric for judging them - intention. If it was malicious, we've got a problem. Shame or embarrassment, I'd probably be understanding.

What about its significant effect on the risk profile? Purely looking at statistics and nothing else, they are WAY more likely to have HIV and other STDs.

30% of trans escorts has HIV.

That has no impact on your constent or decisions?

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Den_glade_amatør skrev, den 6/2/2026 at 12:57 AM:

Yes, your desire for full transparency is shared by many others. Old threads on the same topic attest to this.

Opposite to this is the woman's desire to be accepted as a woman. She is, as@SweettieDKsays, has come a long way in her efforts to put her past as a man behind her. There is probably nothing she wants more than for the world to perceive her as 100% woman.

I think it's a difficult issue, because both parties can't get what they want at the same time. And for both parties, it feels wrong to give in and accept the other's position.

Conversely, there are also some of us who don't care so much about the woman's background, but rather focus on whether she is a sweet and nice person. We are typically not in a hurry to convince others that they should have the same attitude towards us.

You say you want a debate on the subject,@AllanDThose who think the same as you rarely want a debate, but rather to flaunt their own positions, and there is a risk that this thread will also develop into that.

I can actually follow your desire for transparency, and when it's important to you, I quite like it.@SweettieDKs suggestion to ask the girl privately when you meet her. But for you,@AllanD, it is not without risk to ask. Because if the woman was actually born a woman, she might be offended by the question. And if she was born a man, you might embarrass her, and then you yourself will have wasted your time seeking her out, when your preferences do not go in her direction.

So it's easiest for you if the girl just wrote in her ad that she was born a man. But for her, that's exactly what she's said goodbye to and probably doesn't want to be associated with. You think "why can't she just be honest?" She thinks "why focus on a past that won't come back, can't he just accept me as I am?" It's hard to see a solution that both of you will be happy with deep down.

Informed constent is more important than her emotions or feelings about her past.

Also, I think most of them do not disclose it to sell more, which is bad faith.

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AllanD skrev, 1 time siden:

Informed constent is more important than her emotions or feelings about her past.

Ja, for dig er det mere vigtigt. Det er det ikke nødvendigvis for hende, du besøger, for mentalt er hun nu kønsmæssigt et andet sted. Eller ønsker at være det.

AllanD skrev, 1 time siden:

Also, I think most of them do not disclose it to sell more, which is bad faith.

Det kan man nok ikke afvise. Men det kan lige så godt ske på baggrund af det, jeg argumenterer for ovenfor.

AllanD skrev, den 1.6.2026 at 18:48:

Another rational factor, based on pure statistics and nothing else, the STD risk profiles and HIV probability are magnitudes higher among trans women.

AllanD skrev, 1 time siden:

30% of trans escorts has HIV.

Det er muligt, at du har ret, men det ville støtte din påstand, hvis du kunne henvise til en konkret kilde. Der kan jo godt være ret stor forskel på smitteniveauer blandt sexsælgere i Danmark i forhold til et globalt gennemsnit. Og når du bare angiver et tal, aner vi jo ikke, om det bygger på fri fantasi, egne skud fra hoften eller noget, du faktisk har undersøgt.

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AllanD skrev, for 1 time siden:

Why do you have such low standards?

Actually, I think you are the one with low standards!

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ensomfyr skrev, for 15 minutter siden:

Actually, I think you are the one with low standards!

Elaborate. How could mine possibly be lower than yours?

You literally just said you'd be happy as long as she spreads her legs for you and doesn't have a dick.

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ensomfyr skrev, den 2.6.2026 at 21:02:

Dybest set må jeg indrømme, at som købesex betyder det måske ikke så meget, om det er en kvinde eller mand, der er transformeret til en kvinde. Er hun sød, lækker og spreder benene for mig og ikke har et vedhæng mellem benene, så vil jeg nok føle mig tilfreds - hvad enten det er en kvinde eller en tidligere mand. Jeg køber trods alt bare en times nydelse, og får jeg den, så er jeg nok godt tilfreds.

Det vil derimod være noget helt andet, hvis det var en partner. Mødte jeg kvinde, der var en tidligere mand, med henblik på et parhold, så ville det nok være meget rart fra starten at få at vide, at hun ikke er født som kvinde og derfor heller ikke kan få børn

Kort og godt formuleret, adskillelsen af de to så klart. For ja, typisk én standard for besøgs-piger, og en anden for partner-piger. Og den første er bestemt mere løs end den anden :)

AllanD skrev, for 5 timer siden:

What about its significant effect on the risk profile? Purely looking at statistics and nothing else, they are WAY more likely to have HIV and other STDs.

30% of trans escorts has HIV.

That has no impact on your constent or decisions?

The procedures (note: plural) needed to undergo a full gender-reassignment are elaborate, expensive, and time-consuming. You don't get to that point, without having screenings done; amongst others for surgery staff to take precautions.

  • If someone has the money to get to that stage, I they're taking pains to remain healthy. And even if they have HIV, they clearly also have the money for medication - which lowers their risk of infection to negligible.

  • As an example, Holland has between a 1.2% and 1.4% infection rate of HIV among the population of transgender women, up from 0.2% of the population at large - I'm assuming it roughly mirrors Western Europe at large.

All that would impact on my decision - as it has before. Think smart, act carefully, and play without worry.

AllanD skrev, for 3 timer siden:

Elaborate. How could mine possibly be lower than yours?
You literally just said you'd be happy as long as she spreads her legs for you and doesn't have a dick.

To be fair, you're the one who chose the qualifier "lower" - not him. We all have different standards, you saying yours is quality, is just warm wind.

He chooses to not be overly selective, but finds enjoyment with those who offer their services; whatever those services may be. That sounds more broadminded, and more accepting.
That doesn't mean his standard is low.

Your choice sounds overly selective, with have a narrower band of acceptance for who you choose to be with sexually. That follows more limited engagement with a smaller selection of providers. That doesn't mean your standard is high.

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Den_glade_amatør skrev, for 11 timer siden:

for mentalt er hun nu kønsmæssigt et andet sted. Eller ønsker at være det.

Jeg er enig med dig i mange af dine argumenter, men ovenstående må jeg lige korrigere. Hun er ikke mentalt et andet sted efter transition. Ønsker tænker jeg meget sjældent er en del af ligningen. (For at undgå ordet aldrig, nok ingen regel uden undtagelser)

Men hele udfordringen for en Trans er jo sind og krop ikke passer sammen fra fødsel. Og de helt fra de bliver gamle nok til at indse det, føler sig fanget i en forkert krop

Sindet har for dem vi her om taler altid været kvinde selvom kroppen var mand.

Efter fuld transition har de endelig fået den rigtige krop. Det er ikke sindet det har ændret sig, men de kan endelig leve fuldt og helt som kvinde.

Jeg ved ikke hvor kort / lang / besværlig processen er i andre lande som de forskellige GP’er kommer fra men i DK er det en årelang kamp, for at overbevise dem der godkender hormonbehandling og operationer om at det er sandt. At man kvalificerer sig til behandling. Diagnosen er kønsubehag. Og i DK kan man ikke bare købe sig til det.

Tvivler på ret mange vælger at være trans, frivilligt vælger at skifte køn.

Ved det kan være forvirrende jeg startede i tråden med at sige ja de bør være ærlige, også alligevel, for ja etisk set burde de, forstår godt behovet for at vide de er født som mand. Dem jeg omgåes med er meget ærlige og åbne om det. Men omvendt ser jeg også deres side af sagen, og forstår de vil lægge den ubehagelige fortid bag sig.

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