Get HIV from clinics in Copenhagen?

[mrscientist 0]

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Thank you everyone for your help.

 

We have a different system in Germany and thats why I asked. Denmark is a cool country and I felt every person was friendly. Hope this is just paranoia and nothing more, so felt good to hear with danish people living in cph what picture they have of the clinics I listed above (sexyclub, cassiopeia, romantica etc ). I can imagine the condom breaks for a large number of men at these clinics and therfore it would be interesting if someone had heard a similar incident with a negative outcome.

 

Anyway,

 

Tack sa mye

[klinikfuckers 1181]

PreferEnglish skrev, for 18 minutter siden:

Dont worry about the comments from the feeble minded members of the forum. Unfortunately we have these people around who are impolite, hate foreigners, think muslims are rapists, etc. We just have to live with them! Guess you know all about them in Germany. Nationalist, nazi light types..

Og jeg fortrækker dansk, hvor henne ser du rasisme i denne tråd? Sikke noget plader, hans overskrift i denne tråd er da total latterlig, get HIV  jeg ville nok have valgt en anden tekst. 

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As a GP ( general practioner ) I can  calm you - the risk  is close to  Zero  . I have had so many wonderful experiences  in your country ( and also in Denmark ) - both with and without protection -but always in FKK - clubs or renommerede Danish clinics--- No problems at all.

 

[Guest JoeBiden]

klinikfuckers skrev, for 44 minutter siden:

Og jeg fortrækker dansk,

Så er det sku et lidt sjovt brugernavn du har valgt... 

[anon 887]

mrscientist skrev, for 3 timer siden:

 

Do escorts in these clinics lie a lot? And how is the prevalence of HIV in these clinics? Compared to Germany they are rather expensive, 1200 DKK for 30 minutes...

We try not to be judgemental at this forum. No, escorts do not lie a lot. You could have asked respectfully instead. 

I am not familiar with the honesty of escorts in Hamburg, but I know you can trust girls from respected agencies in Denmark. Maybe the price difference indicates different standards. 

I don't really understand why you had to go to Copenhagen and try expensive escorts especially when you worry so much about their honesty and health. 

 

[anon 887]

PreferEnglish skrev, for 2 timer siden:

But a girl can sell sex. That is legal. Retarded law, right 

Retarded, why?

You mean that it is ok to earn money being a pimp? 

[anon 887]

PreferEnglish skrev, for 1 time siden:

Dont worry about the comments from the feeble minded members of the forum. Unfortunately we have these people around who are impolite, hate foreigners, think muslims are rapists, etc. We just have to live with them! Guess you know all about them in Germany. Nationalist, nazi light types..

Interesting comment PreferEnglish, since you wrote that rape is acceptable and casual for certain groups. 

As always you babble and do not know what you talk about. 

Since Denmark is a civilised country, investigations have been made regarding prostitutes and HIV, and several other factors 

https://www.google.dk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.seksualpolitik.dk/dokumenter/folder_myter-og-fakta.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiPjrDGjcXcAhVjb5oKHStoAbUQFjACegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw00v4YLtgdoTSF9o1f1f6hX

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Myte: Sexarbejdere får og videregiver 
ofte kønssygdomme
NEJ. I følge "Prostitution i Danmark" af Nell 
Rasmussen, VFC/Servicestyrelsen 2007, er 
prostituerede i Danmark ikke generelt mere 
udsatte for smitte med HIV eller andre kønssygdomme end andre, ligesom de heller 
ikke smitter kunderne med disse sygdomme. Det er en urigtig og udokumenteret 
påstand.

I strongly recommend that Mr (pseudo) scientist and PreferEnglish read the report as referred to in the quote. 

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Sov nu bare roligt, og tag gerne en test når evt. smitte vil kunne identificeres.

Du skrev ikke om akten i detaljer, men smittehyppigheden fra HIV-smittet kvinde til mand ved vaginalt samleje er ret lille. Kan ikke finde referencer, men læste for år tilbage at man anslog ca. 1 ud af 1000 samlejer.

[Guest Sniper123]

anon skrev, den 29/7/2018 at 22:12:

I strongly recommend that Mr (pseudo) scientist and PreferEnglish read the report as referred to in the quote. 

Skal vi gætte på, at de har samme ip - de (han) er vel den eneste der har oprettet tråde i den genre de sidste 10 dage.

[TheVoice 9471]

For  lige at sætter proportioner på Hiv/Aids  i Danmark

• Der konstateres ca 200 tilfælde om året
• Det vurdere at max 600 mennesker er smittet uden at vide det
• En person der er i behandling kan ikke smitte andre (ny forskning har netop bevist dette)
• Modsat eksempelvis vise øst europæiske lande tilbyder narkomaner gratis engangskanyler, fixsteder osv.  Det kommer sikkert som en overraskelse at en del spredning faktisk sker fordi en del narkomaner deler kanyler. 
• Der er nogle mønstre omkring de ca 200 nye tilfælde om året.  Der sker stadig en større spredning i de homoseksuelle miljøer sammenlignet med resten af befolkningen.  Et andet markant mønster er, at smitten i mange tilfælde bringes med hjem fra ferier,  eller folk der er kommet til landet.

I Danmark kan man ikke længere tale om en epidemi, men i andre lande er ordet epidemi bestemt det rette ord.  I lande med korrekt medicin og behandling dør man ikke længere af smitten   Bivirkningerne er mindre end ved mange alment udbredte medicinkrævende sygdomme (Sygdomme hvor folk ikke bliver angste når de hører deres navne) - Mange går i panik når de hører HIV/AIDS.  Slutteligt er man i dag så langt, at der ikke længere er  belæg for at tro, at man levere kortere. 

SKal vi så juble og sige "Så er den ged barberet" ?  Nej der skal stadig gøres meget for at få det helt udryddet.  Taler vi sprungne kondomer, ubeskyttet sex, smittefare og den slags, så har der jo været en tilbøjelighed til nærmest kun at ville bruge kondom pga af angst for AIDS .  Sådan er verdenen ikke længere, man skal selvfølgelig stadig gøre sig overvejelser omkring kønssygdomme og begrænsning af udbredelse m.v. 

At vi nu lever i en tid, hvor vi både ser en stigning i almene kønssygdomme samt et "mere afslappet" forhold til kondomer kan for en stor del nok tilskrives, at man nu har en behandling for AIDS og de fakta jeg har nævnt.  Det er selvfølgelig skidt at fordi 90´ernes mange dødsfald, gjorde at mange tænkte sig bedre om end i dag, når der skulle dyrkes sex med en person man ikke anede en skid om

Et eller andet sted bør målet jo stadig være, enten at få udryddet de værste kønssygdomme, eller måske mere realistisk at få antallet af smitte tilfælde pr. år ned på et langt mindre niveau.  Det er selvfølgeligt glædeligt at læse at mange er særdeles bevidste omkring smitte når vi taler købesex, men hvis man kun tror at man skal beskytte sig når man køber eller udbyder sex, samt at risikoen er astronomist større i branchen end i nattelivet, så har man så at sige skabt en falsk tryghed når man dyrker ubeskyttet sex med mennesker man møder i eksempelvis nattelivet.

Sandsynligheden for at slå en sekser med en terning er 1/6  pr. kast uagtet om man kaster 1 gang eller 1.000 gange.   Besøger man en smittet GP´er er sandsynligheden pr. knald den samme uagtet antallet at gæster.  At man så begynder at regne på "Jamen nogen bliver vel smittet, hvis hun har mange kunder"  Det kan den enkelte jo ikke bruge til noget, her handler det jo om "Er jeg blevet smittet".   Jeg ved godt det kan være lidt svært at forstå, at hvis man i nattelivet går i kassen med en der er smittet, som ikke dyrker sex med ligeså mange som eksempelvis en GP´er med mange vagter så er sandsynligheden for at man (altså sig selv) den samme. 

Fyrer man kanonen af i et sprængt kondom er sandsynligheden nok større for at kvinden bliver gravid end at gæsten bliver smittet af HIV, for lige at slutte af med en komisk sammenligning, noget man kan forholde sig til uden at man bliver angrebet af en masse irrationelle følelser.  Sidste nævnte er skam alvorligt nok, og nok mere end man umiddelbart tror.  

 

[Bebop 9572]

mrscientist skrev, den 29/7/2018 at 19:24:

But we say that the girl gave me something. Could i report her so that she can never sell sex again or are they allowed to do so in Denmark even if they are infected?

No. You can report her, but it will not prevent her from selling sex, and probably nothing will be done. It's much more important to tell her, so that she can get treatment for whatever a test might show.

There are three scenarios regarding hiv:

1. She does not have hiv. You will be fine.

2. She is hiv positive and knows it. Therefore she is in treatment, and thus not able to transfer hiv to you. You will be fine.

3. She has hiv, but does not know it, and could theoretically infect you through unprotected sex. Your risk in this scenario is rather small given that we are talking a few minutes of vaginal intercourse.

What you need to know is, that the statistical risk of scenario 3 is closer to 0 than anything I can think of.

Regarding STD statistics in general, an older survey has shown, that girls working in established clinics have a lower rate of STDs than the general population.

All in all I wouldn't worry, but still have a check to be sure. But it's more important to check for chlamydia and gonnorhea (more prevalent and a risk of asymptotic infection), but of course you should include hiv.

And: Remember to use condoms until you have a test answer.

[Bebop 9572]

PreferEnglish skrev, den 29/7/2018 at 20:09:

Yes, in theory a person can be sentenced to prison for transmitting HIV to another person, given:

- They know they are HIV infected

- The other party do not know about it 

Wrong. The law has been suspended, a court ruling has established it is not punishable. As a consequence The Prosecution Service has decided not to press charges. 

 

Intentional infection of another person is of course still punishable as any other type of intentional infliction of bodily harm.

[Bebop 9572]

Sniper123 skrev, for 7 timer siden:

Skal vi gætte på, at de har samme ip - 

Usandsynligt bedømt på deres forskelligartede sprog. Jeg tvivler på at prefer... har tysk som modersmål, for han har problemer med fx at bøje i tal, hvilket en tysker sjældent har.

[Guest PreferEnglish]

Bebop skrev, for 25 minutter siden:

Intentional

Intentional is exactly what I was referring to...

[MrPink 1]

anon skrev, den 29/7/2018 at 21:57:

We try not to be judgemental at this forum. No, escorts do not lie a lot. You could have asked respectfully instead. 

I am not familiar with the honesty of escorts in Hamburg, but I know you can trust girls from respected agencies in Denmark. Maybe the price difference indicates different standards. 

I don't really understand why you had to go to Copenhagen and try expensive escorts especially when you worry so much about their honesty and health. 

 

Yeah escorts never lie, especially not aboiut age and their photos 

 

I don't thin it was a disrespectful question. Maybe a bit silly but the guy is probably worried and want to be reassured how safe brothels are in Denmark when it comes to STDs. 

[Bebop 9572]

PreferEnglish skrev, for 6 timer siden:

Intentional is exactly what I was referring to...

Not what you wrote:

PreferEnglish skrev, den 29/7/2018 at 20:09:

Yes, in theory a person can be sentenced to prison for transmitting HIV to another person, given:

- They know they are HIV infected

- The other party do not know about it 

Knowing your status is not sufficient to establish intention.

It's okay to make mistakes. It's a bit pathetic trying to deny it.

[Guest PreferEnglish]

Bebop skrev, for 42 minutter siden:

It's okay to make mistakes. It's a bit pathetic trying to deny it.

Like I wrote. Burden of evidence makes it close to impossible...

Please dont be a sophist!

 

[anon 887]

MrPink skrev, for 4 timer siden:

Yeah escorts never lie, especially not aboiut age and their photos 

 

I don't thin it was a disrespectful question. Maybe a bit silly but the guy is probably worried and want to be reassured how safe brothels are in Denmark when it comes to STDs. 

So because they lie about their age, they lie about everything else? Respectful? 

 

Redigeret 31. Juli, 2018 af anon

[Bebop 9572]

PreferEnglish skrev, for 2 timer siden:

Like I wrote. Burden of evidence makes it close to impossible...

Please dont be a sophist!

 

 I simply corrected your error, you should just not have tried to claim it wasn't an error. Your account was 100 % wrong, the only thing that matters is intent. You claimed it had to do with the one person's knowledgability of own infection status - it makes no difference according to the law. Next you claimed the "victim" should be ignorant of the other's status - that is also irrelevant in the eyes of the law. So nothing you wrote was remotely right in any sense of the word. It also has nothing to do with wether or not it is possible to prove that a person is knowledgeable of their own infection status (which in Denmark seldomly would be hard).

Sorry, but "please don't be in denial".

[Guest PreferEnglish]

 

Bebop skrev, for 22 minutter siden:

Sorry, but "please don't be in denial".

 

I am not in any state of denial. You are just interpreting things too literally.

So, you dont think it matters that a person knowingly becomes infected? That is far out. It is called mitigating circumstances?

Intent implies knowledge. That is obvious. And if an individual knowingly infected another individual, then we are very close to intent in a court of law. But the burden of evidence is complex! 

If a prostitute has sex with customers, knowing that she is a HIV carrier, then to the best of my belief there will be intent. No matter if a condom was used or if the condom broke by accident.

I would say, in practise, intent is largely identical to knowledge. The exception is were the partner knowingly accepts a direct risk of HIV infection. Here mitigating circumstances will be present, even if I do not know the legal practise in this area.

What I write is just basic common sense, Bebop

[Bebop 9572]

PreferEnglish skrev, for 2 minutter siden:

So, you dont think it matters that a person knowingly becomes infected? That is far out. It is called mitigating circumstances?

No, you mistake the decision to have sex with an infected person with knowingly becoming infected.

PreferEnglish skrev, for 3 minutter siden:

Intent implies knowledge. That is obvious. And if an individual knowingly infected another individual, then we are very close to intent in a court of law.

You are now completely changing the subject. We are not discussing someone knowingly infecting someone ... It is precisely the point that that was not what you wrote.

PreferEnglish skrev, for 6 minutter siden:

If a prostitute has sex with customers, knowing that she is a HIV carrier, then to the best of my belief there will be intent.

Your belief is wrong in more ways than one. Firstly she would be in treatment, thus not posing a risk. Secondly, even if she wasn't in treatment but still knowing she was infected, it would be far from intent as long as she takes the necessary precautions (e.g. uses condoms). She could also e.g. claim she didn't know how infection is transferred, which would also challenge intent. But that is also besides the point. You should have written of intent, which you didn't.

PreferEnglish skrev, for 11 minutter siden:

I would say, in practise, intent is largely identical to knowledge.

Well, yes - given the bonus pater familias (aka "reasonable person"). But knowledge of infection alone is not sufficient, as I have written above.

PreferEnglish skrev, for 15 minutter siden:

What I write is just basic common sense,

I will refrain from discussing that, but simply remark that common sense is not the same as the law,

[Guest PreferEnglish]

Bebop skrev, for 9 minutter siden:

will refrain from discussing that, but simply remark that common sense is not the same as the law,

You are sofist. Everything I say will hold. Its common sense and all about judgement power. Something that falls natural to people like me!

[Bananas 17704]

PreferEnglish skrev, for 26 minutter siden:

So, you dont think it matters that a person knowingly becomes infected? That is far out. It is called mitigating circumstances?

Huh? 

A person that knowlingly becomes infected is called a "bugchaser".

[Guest PreferEnglish]

Bananas skrev, for 3 minutter siden:

bugchaser

Good word 

[Bananas 17704]

PreferEnglish skrev, for 2 minutter siden:

Good word 

Possibly, but a weird infliction to carry.