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Pjat og vrøvl.

Så lykkedes det atter Forte at trække racismekortet, ganske som det sker i det citerede indlæg – og her på et helt absurd grundlag:

Det, at man kan høre i en telefon, at en person ikke er dansk og afviser, har da intet med racisme at gøre. Da teledamen ikke kunne se vedkommende, kunne det f.eks godt have været en islænding eller anden nordeuropæer, der i mangel af danske sprogkundskaber udtrykte sig på engelsk, og ingen vil vel for alvor kalde det racisme at afvise en islænding.

Der er altså forskel på nationalitet og race.

Derfra, din lille osteklokke, viser du igen igen at du absolut intet aner hvad racisme er! Redigeret af FORTE

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Det har intet med rascisme af gøre. Der kan være 100 forskellige grunde.

Min vigtigste point er at

HUN BURDE SKRIVE SINE FORBEHOLD TYDELIGT PÅ SIN SIDE

Alt andet er respektløs!

Apropos har jeg været sammen med pigen mange gange og hum virker sød nok...hun skal bare melde klart ud så folk som Johnds ikke bliver udmyget på den måde

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Derfra, din lille osteklokke, viser du igen igen at du absolut intet aner hvad racisme er!

 

Ja, du har jo fra tidligere indlæg tydelig vist, at du ved alt om det. Tror du da.

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Well o well. The truth lies in the eyes of the beholder.... so theoretically We all speaks the truth in this matter

 

Are you sure that the truth always lies in the eyes of the beholder? 

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Are you sure that the truth always lies in the eyes of the beholder?

Yes I'm positive because everyone is so convinced that what they are saying/writing is the truth.

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Hvis man gerne vil behandles med et minimum af respekt må man også udvise det selv!

Ida: Du neglicere problemmet!

"Det er pigens egen valg" "hun vil ikke melde klart ud fordi det skader hende" osv....

Faktum er at det i forvejen er enorm krænkende at blive fravalgt kun pga race (det er racisme) men hvis en GP har det forbehold så er det mindste hun kan gøre er at melde tydeligt og klart ud ! ...og ikke krybe udenom og begynde at spørge om alder.

Havde han sagt han var 50 år , havde damen sagt "hun tager kun mænd under 40"

Det er skidt handlemåde af SEXYCLUB.DK!!!

 

Racisme...Racisme.... Det kan selvfølgelig godt være racisme (at modtage en dansker og ikke en med anden etnisk baggrund end dansk) - men HELT ÆRLIGT !! - der altså forskel på at modtage en fremmed fyrs pik og på den baggrund have nogle forbehold for, hvis pik man har lyst til at modtage - og så f.eks. racisme hvor f.eks. unge mennesker med anden etnisk baggrund bliver afvist på en natklub.

 

Pigerne må vælge og vrage efter min mening - det må vi jo som købere af deres ydelser også. Man kan i princippet aftale noget, møde op, sige nej tak og gå igen. 

 

Jeg synes sgu det var fint der blev afvist i telefonen i stedet for at indlægsstarter blev afvist i døren - men synes måske ikke om, at der (måske?) blev givet en hvid løgn for at undgå konfrontationen, selvom det egentligt er meget forståeligt gjort af telefondamen.

 

Og jeg er enig i, at - i stedet for at brokke sig herinde over det - så kom dog videre. Der er tusindvis af købepiger i lille Danmark.

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Racisme...Racisme.... Det kan selvfølgelig godt være racisme (at modtage en dansker og ikke en med anden etnisk baggrund end dansk) - men HELT ÆRLIGT !! - der altså forskel på at modtage en fremmed fyrs pik og på den baggrund have nogle forbehold for, hvis pik man har lyst til at modtage - og så f.eks. racisme hvor f.eks. unge mennesker med anden etnisk baggrund bliver afvist på en natklub.

Pigerne må vælge og vrage efter min mening - det må vi jo som købere af deres ydelser også. Man kan i princippet aftale noget, møde op, sige nej tak og gå igen.

Jeg synes sgu det var fint der blev afvist i telefonen i stedet for at indlægsstarter blev afvist i døren - men synes måske ikke om, at der (måske?) blev givet en hvid løgn for at undgå konfrontationen, selvom det egentligt er meget forståeligt gjort af telefondamen.

Og jeg er enig i, at - i stedet for at brokke sig herinde over det - så kom dog videre. Der er tusindvis af købepiger i lille Danmark.

Ligesom du og andre brokker sig over at de ikke fik tungesnav, de 5 min ekstra, eller meget andet ligegyldig gejl, kan man da godt pointere at sexyclub og andre GPer godt kunne være mere tydeligt i deres annocencering på det område.

Jeg forstår godt Johnds brok!

Jeg anfægter dog ikke pigens race/nationalitet præferencer, men at man ikke oplyser tydeligt om det er efter min mening for dårligt!

Desuden så har jeg intet på Alia, på et personligt plan. Jeg har selv været der og hun levere ellers varen til UG. !

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Kære Admin

 

Hvis der skal koges mere suppe på den pølsepind, skal den så ikke over i generel debat eller debatten om falsk/korrekt markedsføring?

 

Vh

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Poor little Johnds, who set aside other really important things (!) to make a 2 minute phone call. But apparently he had time to make a second phone call just to complain even though he must have known it would change nothing. In fact it is unbelievable that you phoned sexyclub a second time to complain. Don't you have any self respect?! She obviously accepts men under 40 as many here can testify to. The phone lady has the right to use any excuse she wants if she thinks you are not Alia's type. At least she was nice enough to not tell you the real reason whatever that may be. 

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Ligesom du og andre brokker sig over at de ikke fik tungesnav, de 5 min ekstra, eller meget andet ligegyldig gejl, kan man da godt pointere at sexyclub og andre GPer godt kunne være mere tydeligt i deres annocencering på det område.

 

Det er vi helt enige om.

 

Men tilbage står dit racismebegreb. Jeg har tidligere anholdt det, for det holder altså ikke. Du blander et par centrale begreber sammen, nemlig nationalitet og race.

 

Det forkludrer tingene. For skal man kunne føre en kvalificeret debat, kræver det, at definitionerne er fastlagte.

 

Et enkelt eksempel skåret helt ud i pap:

 

En neger kan godt være amerikaner (med amerikansk statsborgerskab), men det er ikke ensbetydende med, at alle amerikanere (med amerikansk statsborgerskab), er negre.

 

Enten du vil tro det eller ej, så er begreberne "nationalitet" og "race" to helt forskellige ting.

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Det er vi helt enige om.

 

Men tilbage står dit racismebegreb. Jeg har tidligere anholdt det, for det holder altså ikke. Du blander et par centrale begreber sammen, nemlig nationalitet og race.

 

Det forkludrer tingene. For skal man kunne føre en kvalificeret debat, kræver det, at definitionerne er fastlagte.

 

Et enkelt eksempel skåret helt ud i pap:

 

En neger kan godt være amerikaner (med amerikansk statsborgerskab), men det er ikke ensbetydende med, at alle amerikanere (med amerikansk statsborgerskab), er negre.

 

Enten du vil tro det eller ej, så er begreberne "nationalitet" og "race" to helt forskellige ting.

 

Pas på med prædikatet "neger."

I nogle stater i USA kan brugen af det begreb betyde liv eller død for dig.

Selv i Danmark er det politisk ukorrekt at bruge det ord.

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Pas på med prædikatet "neger."

I nogle stater i USA kan brugen af det begreb betyde liv eller død for dig.

Selv i Danmark er det politisk ukorrekt at bruge det ord.

 

Tror du ikke, jeg ved det? Du har jo skrevet om det tidligere.

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Det er vi helt enige om.

Men tilbage står dit racismebegreb. Jeg har tidligere anholdt det, for det holder altså ikke. Du blander et par centrale begreber sammen, nemlig nationalitet og race.

Det forkludrer tingene. For skal man kunne føre en kvalificeret debat, kræver det, at definitionerne er fastlagte.

Et enkelt eksempel skåret helt ud i pap:

En neger kan godt være amerikaner (med amerikansk statsborgerskab), men det er ikke ensbetydende med, at alle amerikanere (med amerikansk statsborgerskab), er negre.

Enten du vil tro det eller ej, så er begreberne "nationalitet" og "race" to helt forskellige ting.

Beklager men....dit eramus montanus logik er ude i hampen!

Jeg kan simpelhen ikke opdrage dig med hvad lige præcis begrebet "racisme" dækker over.

Tråden starter med fremstilling af en situation hvor telfdamen spørg Johnds om nationalitet. Implicit red. etnicitet. GPen har valgt at udelukke bestemte typer mænd udefra deres etnicitet, fordi (jeg har talt med hende) pigen har nogle fordomme, forstillinger, omkring den etnisk gruppe. Det er at sætte folk i bås, skær over en kam udfra folks etnicitet. Det kaldes racediskrimination!

Men fred være med det! Gider ik diskutere d mere...

Jeg understreger påny...

Jeg forstår godt Johnds frustration. Jeg bakker ham op!

Hun burde stå frem og informere om det på sin side!

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Poor little Johnds, who set aside other really important things (!) to make a 2 minute phone call. But apparently he had time to make a second phone call just to complain even though he must have known it would change nothing. In fact it is unbelievable that you phoned sexyclub a second time to complain. Don't you have any self respect?! She obviously accepts men under 40 as many here can testify to. The phone lady has the right to use any excuse she wants if she thinks you are not Alia's type. At least she was nice enough to not tell you the real reason whatever that may be. 

 

While most people are reasonably/politely providing their own views to the problem, you seem to not only provide your own view but also like to provoke hostile comments based on your STUPIDITY that you may call it your ability to make your own "Danish sarcasm". I can understand that you may not comprehend what I meant in my first post because you were not me, as I was not you; but I can't understand what is wrong with you now. Go and ask your mother to teach you about self-respect.

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As FORTE has said, I had the same feelings that the very first question of the phone lady that matters. It was the "hvor komme du fra?" question. If some other foreigner called and told he was 45, then the phone lady would very likely answer that Alia only took men under 40. Only Forte has so far understood my frustration.

 

This was damn covered racial discrimination. It hurts more when people like those from Sexyclub acted out to reject oversea men rather than just told their preferences in their site. I bet that if we can see an add saying "no foreigners" in the first place, we will surely be happy to stay away from that girl and we will never bother to call to ask. We do not give a shit about the discrimination you have. What we all need is them to be DIRECT in their choices in the first place (in their ads)!

 

While other girl in the same clinic can do that honestly, why some girls can not bother take 5 minute to clarify their own preferences in their ads?

Look at these honest ads, we do not have any problem with these girls from the beginning since we know their choices.

http://www.sexyclub.dk/girls/dina4/index.php

http://seductiongirls.dk/pigerne/alexandra/

 

Copenhagen is the capital of Denmark where there are tens of thousand of young foreign men who are working and paying tax to the Danish society. With such an INTERNATIONAL place, don't people from the Clinic expect that there are thousands of potential foreign men are reading their website and considering to visit them (visit the clinic)? Will the clinic always try to make questions about age to indirectly reject foreign men? That is damn DISRESPECTFUL and it offends us very much.

 

 

 

 

 

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Copenhagen is the capital of Denmark where there are tens of thousand of young foreign men who are working and paying tax to the Danish society. With such an INTERNATIONAL place, don't people from the Clinic expect that there are thousands of potential foreign men are reading their website and considering to visit them (visit the clinic)? Will the clinic always try to make questions about age to indirectly reject foreign men? 

 

Well the clinics get daily a lot of foreign men... from Sweden :lol:

 

Sorry to say

It not about the money, if the girls had bad experiences with non-Scandinavian men, she would save herself for the trouble by blocking all foreigner or non-Scandinavian men. And the phone ladys job is to screen and reject the men that doesn't "fit" the girl.

 

I can understand you are frustrating and don't see it from the girls' POV, this is not personal.

 

If you ever go to Japan to have fun, they will reject as default all Gaijin (non-Japanese) then you can scream as much as you want...

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Well the clinics get daily a lot of foreign men... from Sweden :lol:

 

Sorry to say

It not about the money, if the girls had bad experiences with non-Scandinavian men, she would save herself for the trouble by blocking all foreigner or non-Scandinavian men. And the phone ladys job is to screen and reject the men that doesn't "fit" the girl.

 

I can understand you are frustrating and don't see it from the girls' POV, this is not personal.

 

If you ever go to Japan to have fun, they will reject as default all Gaijin (non-Japanese) then you can scream as much as you want...

 

You just don't get what I meant. I just say all we crave for is them to be open and direct in their first place, which is their advertisements. Every other ways to indirectly screen out the girls' choices is only disrespectful. 

 

For me, it is funny that you find that kind of behaviour acceptable if it happened to you. I have no comments about that since we have different personality, or we are just very different so it is impossible to make one understands each other (means, I understand you and you understand me).

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You just don't get what I meant. I just say all we crave for is them to be open and direct in their first place, which is their advertisements. Every other ways to indirectly screen out the girls' choices is only disrespectful.

For me, it is funny that you find that kind of behaviour acceptable if it happened to you. I have no comments about that since we have different personality, or we are just very different so it is impossible to make one understands each other (means, I understand you and you understand me).

Yes, she should note in her advert, if she only caters tl scandinavians.

But she is in every right to say no to having you visit her, and the phone lady did her job.

I think it is time to move one, keep flogging this dead horse is getting you nowhere.

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You just don't get what I meant. I just say all we crave for is them to be open and direct in their first place, which is their advertisements. Every other ways to indirectly screen out the girls' choices is only disrespectful. 

 

For me, it is funny that you find that kind of behaviour acceptable if it happened to you. I have no comments about that since we have different personality, or we are just very different so it is impossible to make one understands each other (means, I understand you and you understand me).

 

I guess we all miss your point as we are different as you said ?

 

I guess it's part of our culture that we don't complain and make a big fuzz over small things. Of cause I will be sad being rejected, but I move on and find happiness elsewhere.

 

May I ask what cultural background are you from, since we are talking across each other ?

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I guess we all miss your point as we are different as you said ?

 

I guess it's part of our culture that we don't complain and make a big fuzz over small things. Of cause I will be sad being rejected, but I move on and find happiness elsewhere.

 

May I ask what cultural background are you from, since we are talking across each other ?

 

What I behave and felt is based on who I am and what my personality is. It has nothing to do with my cultural background. I go for the fairness in communication between service providers (the clinics) and clients (me). If you are the kind of guy who can take it very easy when some one treat you like this case, then you are very different from my personality. You are a strong man, a real man who don't want to make a big fuzz over a small thing or you are just a coward sheep, who can never stand out and talk when receiving unfairness, I don't know. I don't know if it is part of your culture to ignore all these "small things". 

 

But please respect the difference as I do.

It is hard to convince ones to think and feel the same way you do.

I have told my opinions several times, so if you are able to get what I meant, you would have been.

So don't try to understand me if you can't, as I can never understand you. Thank you!

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What I behave and felt is based on who I am and what my personality is. It has nothing to do with my cultural background. I go for the fairness in communication between service providers (the clinics) and clients (me). If you are the kind of guy who can take it very easy when some one treat you like this case, then you are very different from my personality. You are a strong man, a real man who don't want to make a big fuzz over a small thing or you are just a coward sheep, who can never stand out and talk when receiving unfairness, I don't know. I don't know if it is part of your culture to ignore all these "small things". 

 

But please respect the difference as I do.

It is hard to convince ones to think and feel the same way you do.

I have told my opinions several times, so if you are able to get what I meant, you would have been.

So don't try to understand me if you can't, as I can never understand you. Thank you!

 

I feel a little hostility in your last comment.

 

I'm an easygoing person that doesn't get upset over minor things.

I let annoying things go - life is too short to be upset - I rather embrace the positive things and let go the negative things.

 

Life is full of positive people and things if you are a positive and easygoing person.

 

You haven't reach the door to Sexyclub yet and yet your reaction is strong...  

How would you behave inside the room with the girls,

how would you accept the girls limitations, if you don't accept rejection before meeting them ?

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Nille, I am sorry for my not last comment to you! If you feel so, then I should have not used that last comment.

 

I wanted to let it go, and as you can read in my third (or fourth) post, I did say "the case is simple and no need to discuss further". In that comment, I wanted to close the case and receive no more comments.

 

But things go far beyond what I expected. I received a lot of comments that are against me. Some comments are mocking (sarcastic) and some are even offensive. Some comments are even educative as they are giving me lectures. I get more frustrated because people don't get it and they attacked me back.

 

I am also a sensible guy, I just simply get offended and speak out my feelings. I am sure you are also a good guy. Simply our views about one specific case are different does not mean we are different in our hearts.

 

Cheers,

 

 

 

 

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The problem is that you assume its personal or racial. It most likely has nothing to do with you, your background or age. Maybe the phonegirl just thought she reconized you voice and was like "oh no, its that guy who always book an appointment and never show up" (we have those daily) it DOES suck for you, but you are only making it worse for yourself by thinking its personal. Theres 100s of other girls In Copenhagen :) hence the "get over it" comments

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Nille, I am sorry for my not last comment to you! If you feel so, then I should have not used that last comment.

 

I wanted to let it go, and as you can read in my third (or fourth) post, I did say "the case is simple and no need to discuss further". In that comment, I wanted to close the case and receive no more comments.

 

But things go far beyond what I expected. I received a lot of comments that are against me. Some comments are mocking (sarcastic) and some are even offensive. Some comments are even educative as they are giving me lectures. I get more frustrated because people don't get it and they attacked me back.

 

I am also a sensible guy, I just simply get offended and speak out my feelings. I am sure you are also a good guy. Simply our views about one specific case are different does not mean we are different in our hearts.

 

Cheers,

 

Sorry that you feel people in here are "against" you, but remember this is an internet forum, and people are hiding behind their screens and can write what ever they like, knowing this you should not be that sensitive about it. I guess it's time to stop and move on... have a nice day cheers.

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