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Trinetease skrev, for 18 minutter siden:

Jeg har aldrig hørt om danske piger, som er blevet anholdt og har forfalskede papirer. Hvor har du set/læst det?

Det er dog skræmmende hvor vidt udbredt det er blandt de udenlandske det med dokumentfalsk

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JenniferRomantica skrev, for 4 timer siden:

Jeg siger ikke at pigerne er her imod deres vilje eller lignende.. Jeg tænker de betaler deres "udgifter" glædeligt som alle os piger der arbejder på bordel også gør.. Jeg tror dog at priser osv er reguleret af en anden person end dem.. Det samme tror jeg at deres ydelser er.. Deres arbejdstider er muligvis styret af at de er nødt til at tjene mange penge imens de er her for at få nogen med hjem når udgifter osv er betalt.. De er glade for at være konkurrencedygtige på prisen og pengene de tjener er mere værd der hvor de er født så selvom måske halvdelen eller mere skal betales i udgifter så vil det stadig være en overskudsforretning for dem.. Og jeg tror at der selvfølgelig er nogle bagmænd der finder disse piger forskellige steder muligvis strip klubber eller lignende og tilbyder dem arbejde.. 

Jeg synes personligt at pigerne er alt for unge når de startes op i branchen.. Og jeg ved hvor svært det er som 18-19 årig at sige nej til hurtige penge især hvis man har nogle at forsørge.. Jeg kan dog kun forestille mig hvor svært det må være når man er i et fremmed land med mennesker man ikke kender at sige nej til når man ikke vil mere eller føler at de sælger en for billigt.. De har jo alle sammen adgang til internet og jeg tænker da de tjekker andres annoncer ud for sjov skyld som jeg f.eks gør.. Så de ved jo nok godt hvad den normale pris er i Danmark.. Hvis jeg kunne se at andre tog en højere pris for samme ydelse og MED kondom så ville jeg da blive pænt irriteret eller i hvertfald have lyst til at sætte mine priser en smule op.. Gå den for andre hvorfor skulle den så ikke gå for mig.?

Der flere der nævner at deres ellers favorit pige igennem 4-5 uger efterhånden virker uoplagt og mere følelseskold når de skal til at hjem hvilket er klart så meget som de sikkert har arbejdet.. Det tyder lidt på at de måske ikke få sagt fra når de har fået nok af arbejdet.. Eller måske ikke har den mulighed.. 

I don't know how it works in clinics, studios, saunas or similar establishments, but I suspect that the owners there will set the prices and working hours for the foreign and also for the Danish girls.
I am used to working independently and only renting private, commercial and legal premises. Here I only meet girls who are independent and who determine prices, working hours, etc. Regardless of its origin. Foreign, Danish what a.... What counts is the person, but here I feel me as slowly as the Don Quixote between the windmills.

Am I happy (?) - Yes, I love what I do and I know what I want. I'm happy because I don't have to see every man at low prices at certain times. I am happy because I decide for myself who is allowed to visit me and who is not, because I decide what my time is worth and I am happy that I only do what I enjoy, what does not harm my health, I live my passion and enjoy life.

 

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I can only repeat myself and I get tired of it, there are independent girls in this trade regardless of their origin. I also find it now absurd how it goes in this thread. The behavior of the thread creator is particularly embarrassing here, at first he does everything possible to steer this debate in the direction: Foreign girls have pimps / helpers, in the end he invents a pimp for me in his fantasy world and spreads such outrageous lies. Such behavior does not speak for his credibility. He does not answer factual arguments and questions on my part, there is currently no excuse, perhaps because in his eyes, foreign girls can be stigmatized just like that. A real gentleman.

Finally, the thread creator writes about allegedly forged documents from Danish and foreign girls, then supposedly only the foreign girls are supposed to forge documents. Or maybe it's a also only  product of his imagination, or at least I've never heard of it. And he's already fantasized and spread lies about me and left that nonsense online, instead making doubly nonsensical comments in the direction of criminal and bad foreign girls. Basically, the entire thread is based on sensible and nonsensical provocations by the thread creator himself, who is only trying to light a fire, so that a meaningful debate about "appartment and renting" is hardly possible.

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Tantra skrev, for 4 timer siden:

I don't know how it works in clinics, studios, saunas or similar establishments, but I suspect that the owners there will set the prices and working hours for the foreign and also for the Danish girls.
I am used to working independently and only renting private, commercial and legal premises. Here I only meet girls who are independent and who determine prices, working hours, etc. Regardless of its origin. Foreign, Danish what a.... What counts is the person, but here I feel me as slowly as the Don Quixote between the windmills.

Am I happy (?) - Yes, I love what I do and I know what I want. I'm happy because I don't have to see every man at low prices at certain times. I am happy because I decide for myself who is allowed to visit me and who is not, because I decide what my time is worth and I am happy that I only do what I enjoy, what does not harm my health, I live my passion and enjoy life.

 

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I can only repeat myself and I get tired of it, there are independent girls in this trade regardless of their origin. I also find it now absurd how it goes in this thread. The behavior of the thread creator is particularly embarrassing here, at first he does everything possible to steer this debate in the direction: Foreign girls have pimps / helpers, in the end he invents a pimp for me in his fantasy world and spreads such outrageous lies. Such behavior does not speak for his credibility. He does not answer factual arguments and questions on my part, there is currently no excuse, perhaps because in his eyes, foreign girls can be stigmatized just like that. A real gentleman.

Finally, the thread creator writes about allegedly forged documents from Danish and foreign girls, then supposedly only the foreign girls are supposed to forge documents. Or maybe it's a also only  product of his imagination, or at least I've never heard of it. And he's already fantasized and spread lies about me and left that nonsense online, instead making doubly nonsensical comments in the direction of criminal and bad foreign girls. Basically, the entire thread is based on sensible and nonsensical provocations by the thread creator himself, who is only trying to light a fire, so that a meaningful debate about "appartment and renting" is hardly possible.

As I said im sure that some of the girls work normale hours and such.. Thats not the segment we all are talking about.. We are talking about the girls with long hours and low prices.. If you dont work like that then perfect.. Then nobody is talking about you.. So relax.. 

And the danish segment of the business doesnt need papirs to work in Denmark.. So i dont know which papirs you think the danish girls are forging.? 

Redigeret 28. September, 2020 af JenniferRomantica

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Tantra skrev, for 5 timer siden:

I don't know how it works in clinics, studios, saunas or similar establishments, but I suspect that the owners there will set the prices and working hours for the foreign and also for the Danish girls.
I am used to working independently and only renting private, commercial and legal premises. Here I only meet girls who are independent and who determine prices, working hours, etc. Regardless of its origin. Foreign, Danish what a.... What counts is the person, but here I feel me as slowly as the Don Quixote between the windmills.

Am I happy (?) - Yes, I love what I do and I know what I want. I'm happy because I don't have to see every man at low prices at certain times. I am happy because I decide for myself who is allowed to visit me and who is not, because I decide what my time is worth and I am happy that I only do what I enjoy, what does not harm my health, I live my passion and enjoy life.

 

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I can only repeat myself and I get tired of it, there are independent girls in this trade regardless of their origin. I also find it now absurd how it goes in this thread. The behavior of the thread creator is particularly embarrassing here, at first he does everything possible to steer this debate in the direction: Foreign girls have pimps / helpers, in the end he invents a pimp for me in his fantasy world and spreads such outrageous lies. Such behavior does not speak for his credibility. He does not answer factual arguments and questions on my part, there is currently no excuse, perhaps because in his eyes, foreign girls can be stigmatized just like that. A real gentleman.

Finally, the thread creator writes about allegedly forged documents from Danish and foreign girls, then supposedly only the foreign girls are supposed to forge documents. Or maybe it's a also only  product of his imagination, or at least I've never heard of it. And he's already fantasized and spread lies about me and left that nonsense online, instead making doubly nonsensical comments in the direction of criminal and bad foreign girls. Basically, the entire thread is based on sensible and nonsensical provocations by the thread creator himself, who is only trying to light a fire, so that a meaningful debate about "appartment and renting" is hardly possible.

It is true that most foreign girls here in Denmark, gets caught because of forgery.

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JenniferRomantica skrev, for 1 time siden:

As I said im sure that some of the girls work normale hours and such.. Thats not the segment we all are talking about.. We are talking about the girls with long hours and low prices.. If you dont work like that then perfect.. Then nobody is talking about you.. So relax.. 

And the danish segment of the business doesnt need papirs to work in Denmark.. So i dont know which papirs you think the danish girls are forging.? 

In this forum you only write that foreign girls have cheap prices and work long hours. There are also Danish girls who have cheap prices and work long hours.

 I never said that Denmark needed forged papers or anything like that. The thread starter wrote about these documents after inventing a pimp for me. I just mentioned that counterfeit papers are probably just another fantasy or lie from the thread starter

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cockycockysuckysucky2 skrev, for 12 timer siden:

Yes, også det jeg tænker. 

Men hendes pimp skriver godt engelsk  og er god til at finde på historier

My dear, I don't have a pimp, I'm a completely independent girl. Why are you spreading lies about me? What you up to? What do you mean by "made up story" - who do you mean by that? Who makes up stories? I just see you here as the only person who made up stories because you made up a non-existent pimp here. But I think you can certainly explain to us here why you are making up a non-existent pimp who tells non-existent stories in your head?
Do you think your behavior is okay here?
I don't know what you're up to, but I expect an explanation as to why you make up and spread such lies about me. This is no small matter, some readers will consider this bullshit to be true.

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Tantra skrev, for 4 minutter siden:

My dear, I don't have a pimp, I'm a completely independent girl. Why are you spreading lies about me? What you up to? What do you mean by "made up story" - who do you mean by that? Who makes up stories? I just see you here as the only person who made up stories because you made up a non-existent pimp here. But I think you can certainly explain to us here why you are making up a non-existent pimp who tells non-existent stories in your head?
Do you think your behavior is okay here?
I don't know what you're up to, but I expect an explanation as to why you make up and spread such lies about me. This is no small matter, some readers will consider this bullshit to be true.

No no darling, I did not invent a pimp for you, if you say you don't have one that's great.

Im just saying in general that's how it is for girls - still a majority of the foreign girls have one or multiple, where as only a few danish girls.

Nothing about you in particular 

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cockycockysuckysucky2 skrev, for 23 timer siden:

Hey! Former cockycockysuckysucky here, but who really cares 

Me and some friends where just having a discussion about how these foreign girls even find rooms to rent here in Denmark, but also when they are "Touring" other countries?

Then they go to Germany, France and Switzerland is a very popular destination I read... how do they find the places to rent (rooms)? They also seem to move between places a few times in the appropriate country. 

i for instance tried to search out "Rent a room prostitution/brothel, germany", but no luck on the first few pages of google. It got me wondering, if they all got help from their "boss", "agent", or whatever you will call them to book their next "job"?

We know what we think, but we would like to hear what you all thought 

I think a lot of pims find these places, and they earn a lot of money doing that. I have a discreet place for rent with own toilet and bath, and I dont want any money for your work or anything, but only the normal rent as everybody else. I dont want to be a pimp, but would love to se some nice girls to visit in my area. Write in pb if you want to ;-)

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youngatheart skrev, for 11 minutter siden:

I think a lot of pims find these places, and they earn a lot of money doing that. I have a discreet place for rent with own toilet and bath, and I dont want any money for your work or anything, but only the normal rent as everybody else. I dont want to be a pimp, but would love to se some nice girls to visit in my area. Write in pb if you want to

Im not talking about renters in particular but man, these pimps that the girls got somewhere (usually where they come from), finds the rooms, and books the "jobs" for the girls, then they demand around 40-50% of what the girl earns!

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Tantra skrev, for 10 minutter siden:

In this forum you only write that foreign girls have cheap prices and work long hours. There are also Danish girls who have cheap prices and work long hours.

 I never said that Denmark needed forged papers or anything like that. The thread starter wrote about these documents after inventing a pimp for me. I just mentioned that counterfeit papers are probably just another fantasy or lie from the thread starter

I've written that i believe that some (most) of the foreign girls have someone doing the "dirty business" meaning there adds and a place too stay at and so on.. And I believe that these people take alot of the girls money for these services.. I believe that is why they work long hours doing things that most of the danish girls will not do.. Some of the foreign girls even blantently advertice with a drug use.. If that's not a heads up to something being wrong then i dont know what is.. Again if you are not that kind of girl then nobody is talking about you.. No need to defend yourself then.. 

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cockycockysuckysucky2 skrev, for 5 minutter siden:

Im not talking about renters in particular but man, these pimps that the girls got somewhere (usually where they come from), finds the rooms, and books the "jobs" for the girls, then they demand around 40-50% of what the girl earns!

I know what you ment. Thats why I wrote about the place I have for rent, for the independent girls who are looking for rooms. And also the reason why I wrote that I dont want their hard earning money, because they do all the work, and of course they should have 100% all the money.

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youngatheart skrev, for 2 minutter siden:

I know what you ment. Thats why I wrote about the place I have for rent, for the independent girls who are looking for rooms. And also the reason why I wrote that I dont want their hard earning money, because they do all the work, and of course they should have 100% all the money.

I know, just to help you, did you put it up on AL or anything like that?

And to the other thing, man, these girls are just plain stupid to give that much back to someone that simply books a job 

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cockycockysuckysucky2 skrev, for 30 minutter siden:

No no darling, I did not invent a pimp for you, if you say you don't have one that's great.

Im just saying in general that's how it is for girls - still a majority of the foreign girls have one or multiple, where as only a few danish girls.

Nothing about you in particular 

A very weak excuse. You wrote absolutely not in general, but specifically. But when you say ... you write to her pimp - who did you mean, Christine, "her pimp" or by whom ... ???? At that time no women wrote any more, just me and Christine ???? Whose pimp did you mean who writes good English and makes up stories? If you mean the pimp's made-up story or the allegedly forged documents of Danish and foreign girls, then later it should only be the foreign ones, and the pimp probably works for everyone in general, or at least for the majority, for free.

I need more popcorn.

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Tantra skrev, for 10 minutter siden:

A very weak excuse. You wrote absolutely not in general, but specifically. But when you say ... you write to her pimp - who did you mean, Christine, "her pimp" or by whom ... ???? At that time no women wrote any more, just me and Christine ???? Whose pimp did you mean who writes good English and makes up stories? If you mean the pimp's made-up story or the allegedly forged documents of Danish and foreign girls, then later it should only be the foreign ones, and the pimp probably works for everyone in general, or at least for the majority, for free.

I need more popcorn.

again, why are you being so passive aggressive? 

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cockycockysuckysucky2 skrev, for 19 minutter siden:

I know, just to help you, did you put it up on AL or anything like that?

And to the other thing, man, these girls are just plain stupid to give that much back to someone that simply books a job 

No I havent made any announce about the place yet, because I wil first take over the place the 1 october

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JenniferRomantica skrev, for 49 minutter siden:

I've written that i believe that some (most) of the foreign girls have someone doing the "dirty business" meaning there adds and a place too stay at and so on.. And I believe that these people take alot of the girls money for these services.. I believe that is why they work long hours doing things that most of the danish girls will not do.. Some of the foreign girls even blantently advertice with a drug use.. If that's not a heads up to something being wrong then i dont know what is.. Again if you are not that kind of girl then nobody is talking about you.. No need to defend yourself then.. 

My dear, I think it's absolutely not okay when people / women are exploited. I also don't think it's okay that mostly very young girls work almost for free under nasty conditions. I also don't think it's okay when women consume drugs and call themselves "Partie Girl". I am an absolute opponent of cheap prices, I am also an absolute opponent of unprotected sexual practices. However, I've been in this business for a long time, I've seen a lot and have knowledge of a lot ... I know Danish girls and foreign girls who work cheaply and offer a service that some foreign girls and probably some Danish girls would never do.
I think the two classes in this forum (Danish / non-Danish) are absolutely not in order. If you read through here you will quickly see that everything that is Danish is supposedly "better" than that which comes from abroad. Why do such prejudices exist?
For me it is a bit strange to see a person as good or probably less good only because of their origin.

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Tantra skrev, for 8 minutter siden:

My dear, I think it's absolutely not okay when people / women are exploited. I also don't think it's okay that mostly very young girls work almost for free under nasty conditions. I also don't think it's okay when women consume drugs and call themselves "Partie Girl". I am an absolute opponent of cheap prices, I am also an absolute opponent of unprotected sexual practices. However, I've been in this business for a long time, I've seen a lot and have knowledge of a lot ... I know Danish girls and foreign girls who work cheaply and offer a service that some foreign girls and probably some Danish girls would never do.
I think the two classes in this forum (Danish / non-Danish) are absolutely not in order. If you read through here you will quickly see that everything that is Danish is supposedly "better" than that which comes from abroad. Why do such prejudices exist?
For me it is a bit strange to see a person as good or probably less good only because of their origin.

i see that you're on vacation... I must give you that.. the exploited girls works, works, works and does never take any vacation because they have to be coherent to what their pimp wants. 

Redigeret 28. September, 2020 af cockycockysuckysucky2

[Guest Emmalie]

Det virker til at nogen af de mere "high-end" østpiger holder til i nye byggerier - de byggerier er ikke solgt endnu, og bliver derfor lejet ud privat, eller opkøbt og lejet ud privat. De bliver lejet ud enten langtids ophold eller kort tids ophold, jeg ved ikke hvor nemt det er og hvor meget det kræver, men det kræver ikke mere end en Google søgning at finde det. Samme med airbnb og lignende koncepter. 

Der ved udlejeren så nok ikke hvad der foregår. 

Det er også min personlige opfattelse at det er mere normalt at tjene penge på prostitution i de fattigere EU lande, så det vil også betyde at det er nemmere at finde nogen at rejse med. 

Redigeret 28. September, 2020 af Emmalie

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cockycockysuckysucky2 skrev, for 37 minutter siden:

again, why are you being so passive aggressive? 

No my dear I'm not passive aggressive, that's just you alone.
I asked a simple question: whose pimp did you mean by "her pimp"? A pimp who makes up stories, but in this thread you are the only person who obviously makes up stories. Did you mean that you are the imaginary pimp? By whom? You wrote "her pimp" - from whom the pimp?

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cockycockysuckysucky2 skrev, for 14 timer siden:

Yes, også det jeg tænker. 

Men hendes pimp skriver godt engelsk  og er god til at finde på historier

 

cockycockysuckysucky2 skrev, 1 time siden:

No no darling, I did not invent a pimp for you, if you say you don't have one that's great.

Im just saying in general that's how it is for girls - still a majority of the foreign girls have one or multiple, where as only a few danish girls.

Nothing about you in particular 

Ja, undskyld jeg blander mig, men @cockycockysuckysucky2 Hvis man læser din øverste kommentar, kan jeg sådan set godt forstå hvorfor @Tantra føler sig personligt truffet. Det kan du nok også godt se @JenniferRomantica hvis du spekulerer over hvorfor Tantra mener at udenlandske kvinder bliver skåret over én kam. 

Der blev spurgt ind til hvordan udenlandske kvinder lejer lejligheder, og selv i trådstarten blev det gjort ret klart at trådstarters mening allerede var dannet, og der har ikke været et stort forsøg på at acceptere den alternative forklaring som den eneste udenlandske kvinde i tråden er kommet med. Jeg kender ikke @Tantra men jeg har i denne forbindelse læst hendes annonce, og synes at det er ret åbenlyst at hun netop falder i den niche hun reklamerer med: En eksklusiv oplevelse, og jeg vil sådan set godt kunne tro på at hun er en selvstændig kvinde med en helvedes masse gå på mod til at hoppe ind i det danske marked. 

Der er flere måder at gøre det på. Beklager, @Tantra men jeg tror også at selvstændige udenlandske kvinder som dig er fåtallet. Men derefter kommer dem, som netop betaler nogen noget for at få dem ind i det danske marked, fordi det er for uoverskueligt at gøre for udlændinge som knap nok taler engelsk. Gør det det til en skidt ting? Det gør det, det øjeblik der er udnyttelse involveret, men hvis jeg skulle begynde at sælge mig selv i fx England, ville jeg da også ønske, at jeg kunne hyre nogen til at sætte mig i kontakt med udlejere og sætte mig op med bankkonti, firma og sætte mig ind i lovgivningen. Netop fordi de udenlandske kvinder fra de østeuropæiske lande har lavere udgifter end os derhjemme, kan de stadig have en overskudsforretning med en bagmand. 
Problematikken ligger jo ikke i at nogen har arrangeret det praktiske, men at man er så pokkers ubeskyttet og det er enormt let at blive udnyttet, snydt og sidde i en fælde hvor man skal have døgnåbent. 
Og jo, jeg tror da også selv at der nok desværre er rigtig mange af de udenlandske piger som sidder i den fælde, men det er heller ikke særlig konstruktivt at feje dem alle under det tæppe. Nogen får hjælp uden at det er udnyttelse. Desværre kan man som køber sjældent kende forskellen og derfor falder det sikre valg, hvis man ikke vil støtte grov udnyttelse af kvinder, på at vælge det danske segment - og helst dem af de danske som ikke sætter deres priser så lavt at man også her bliver bekymret. 

Jeg er så helt enig med @JenniferRomantica i, at der udover den ægte bekymring, som jeg synes det er godt at have om dem man køber sex af, også ligger det simple økonomiske perspektiv, at det ødelægger det danske arbejdsmarked hvis det bliver fyldt af udenlandske med lavere priser. Det er jo ikke spor anderledes end danske håndværkere som ikke vil have polske håndværkere til at underbyde deres priser. Det danske marked kan simpelthen ikke fungere på de standarder. Det handler ikke spor om, om den polske eller den danske pige er bedre, men simpelthen om at støtte sit eget lands erhvervsliv. Dette er heller ikke specifikt dansk. Jeg var faktisk i Polen og blive tatoveret (ikke fordi det var billigere men fordi tatovørens streg er den smukkeste jeg har set). Der diskuterede vi udenlandsk arbejdskraft, og ganske rigtigt, hendes forældre tog til Tyskland og arbejdede - men hun kunne sagtens forstå at vi synes det var træls, for de Ukrainske arbejdere kom til Polen og arbejdede og det var lige så problematisk for polakkerne, fordi de ukrainske underbød deres arbejdskraft. Hvad man gør med det perspektiv må man selv om, men medmindre man kan sige sig fri for bekymring om, at danskere ikke kan få arbejde fordi udenlandske kan underbyde, simpelthen fordi de ikke bruger deres indtjening i Danmark, synes jeg at den pointe er valid. Jeg ville intet problem have med at en udenlandsk GP flyttede til Danmark og arbejdede her, men så ville hendes penge også gå ind i det danske samfund igen. 

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Tantra skrev, Lige nu:

No my dear I'm not passive aggressive, that's just you alone.
I asked a simple question: whose pimp did you mean by "her pimp"? A pimp who makes up stories, but in this thread you are the only person who obviously makes up stories. Did you mean that you are the imaginary pimp? By whom? You wrote "her pimp" - from whom the pimp?

i don't care wether you have a pimp or not, you enjoy your life, and I enjoy mine  

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Nannas Hjørne skrev, for 8 minutter siden:

 

Ja, undskyld jeg blander mig, men @cockycockysuckysucky2 Hvis man læser din øverste kommentar, kan jeg sådan set godt forstå hvorfor @Tantra føler sig personligt truffet. Det kan du nok også godt se @JenniferRomantica hvis du spekulerer over hvorfor Tantra mener at udenlandske kvinder bliver skåret over én kam. 

Der blev spurgt ind til hvordan udenlandske kvinder lejer lejligheder, og selv i trådstarten blev det gjort ret klart at trådstarters mening allerede var dannet, og der har ikke været et stort forsøg på at acceptere den alternative forklaring som den eneste udenlandske kvinde i tråden er kommet med. Jeg kender ikke @Tantra men jeg har i denne forbindelse læst hendes annonce, og synes at det er ret åbenlyst at hun netop falder i den niche hun reklamerer med: En eksklusiv oplevelse, og jeg vil sådan set godt kunne tro på at hun er en selvstændig kvinde med en helvedes masse gå på mod til at hoppe ind i det danske marked. 

Der er flere måder at gøre det på. Beklager, @Tantra men jeg tror også at selvstændige udenlandske kvinder som dig er fåtallet. Men derefter kommer dem, som netop betaler nogen noget for at få dem ind i det danske marked, fordi det er for uoverskueligt at gøre for udlændinge som knap nok taler engelsk. Gør det det til en skidt ting? Det gør det, det øjeblik der er udnyttelse involveret, men hvis jeg skulle begynde at sælge mig selv i fx England, ville jeg da også ønske, at jeg kunne hyre nogen til at sætte mig i kontakt med udlejere og sætte mig op med bankkonti, firma og sætte mig ind i lovgivningen. Netop fordi de udenlandske kvinder fra de østeuropæiske lande har lavere udgifter end os derhjemme, kan de stadig have en overskudsforretning med en bagmand. 
Problematikken ligger jo ikke i at nogen har arrangeret det praktiske, men at man er så pokkers ubeskyttet og det er enormt let at blive udnyttet, snydt og sidde i en fælde hvor man skal have døgnåbent. 
Og jo, jeg tror da også selv at der nok desværre er rigtig mange af de udenlandske piger som sidder i den fælde, men det er heller ikke særlig konstruktivt at feje dem alle under det tæppe. Nogen får hjælp uden at det er udnyttelse. Desværre kan man som køber sjældent kende forskellen og derfor falder det sikre valg, hvis man ikke vil støtte grov udnyttelse af kvinder, på at vælge det danske segment - og helst dem af de danske som ikke sætter deres priser så lavt at man også her bliver bekymret. 

Jeg er så helt enig med @JenniferRomantica i, at der udover den ægte bekymring, som jeg synes det er godt at have om dem man køber sex af, også ligger det simple økonomiske perspektiv, at det ødelægger det danske arbejdsmarked hvis det bliver fyldt af udenlandske med lavere priser. Det er jo ikke spor anderledes end danske håndværkere som ikke vil have polske håndværkere til at underbyde deres priser. Det danske marked kan simpelthen ikke fungere på de standarder. Det handler ikke spor om, om den polske eller den danske pige er bedre, men simpelthen om at støtte sit eget lands erhvervsliv. Dette er heller ikke specifikt dansk. Jeg var faktisk i Polen og blive tatoveret (ikke fordi det var billigere men fordi tatovørens streg er den smukkeste jeg har set). Der diskuterede vi udenlandsk arbejdskraft, og ganske rigtigt, hendes forældre tog til Tyskland og arbejdede - men hun kunne sagtens forstå at vi synes det var træls, for de Ukrainske arbejdere kom til Polen og arbejdede og det var lige så problematisk for polakkerne, fordi de ukrainske underbød deres arbejdskraft. Hvad man gør med det perspektiv må man selv om, men medmindre man kan sige sig fri for bekymring om, at danskere ikke kan få arbejde fordi udenlandske kan underbyde, simpelthen fordi de ikke bruger deres indtjening i Danmark, synes jeg at den pointe er valid. Jeg ville intet problem have med at en udenlandsk GP flyttede til Danmark og arbejdede her, men så ville hendes penge også gå ind i det danske samfund igen. 

Det er nu engang sådan fakta at flere udenlandske kvinder har en organisator/pimp (hvad du vil kalde det), og at pigerne så betaler de her bagmænd enorme summer! 

Så når man går til udenlandske skal man bare vide at man som hovedregel støtter de her bagmænd, og så længe der er nogle som går til udenlandske, ja ligeså længe vil dette cirkus fortsætte. 

Jeg syntes alle burde støtte danske registrerede klinikker  

Hvis alle lige pludseligt stoppede med at besøge udenlandske piger, ville bagmændende nok tænke "hov, det marked er dødt". og så ville jeg skyde på at der kun var under 50 udenlandske kvinder i Danmark. 

Redigeret 28. September, 2020 af cockycockysuckysucky2

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cockycockysuckysucky2 skrev, for 11 minutter siden:

Det er nu engang sådan fakta at flere udenlandske kvinder har en organisator/pimp (hvad du vil kalde det), og at pigerne så betaler de her bagmænd enorme summer! 

Så når man går til udenlandske skal man bare vide at man som hovedregel støtter de her bagmænd, og så længe der er nogle som går til udenlandske, ja ligeså længe vil dette cirkus fortsætte. 

Jeg syntes alle burde støtte danske registrerede klinikker  

Hvis du læser mit indlæg ordentlig igennem, modsiger jeg som sådan ikke de pointer - faktisk skriver jeg noget lignende med lidt flere nuancer - men derfor hentydede du alligevel personligt til @Tantra  som underlagt en pimp uden noget belæg for det, og jeg kan sagtens se hvorfor hun synes at det er ufedt. 

Redigeret 28. September, 2020 af Nannas Hjørne

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Nannas Hjørne skrev, Lige nu:

Hvis du læser mit indlæg ordentlig igennem, modsiger jeg som sådan ikke de pointer - faktisk skriver jeg noget lignende med lidt flere nuancer, men derfor hentydede du alligevel personligt til @Tantra  som underlagt en pimp uden noget belæg for det. 

ja, og det har jeg skrevet til hende var en fejl 

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cockycockysuckysucky2 skrev, for 7 minutter siden:

ja, og det har jeg skrevet til hende var en fejl 

Hvis du har skrevet det privat til hende, så super fint, men i denne tråd har du kun benægtet, at du skrev noget personligt og kastet det til side som om du lavede en generalisering. Medmindre jeg har misset et indlæg. 

Men det var ikke for at komme op og skændes eller gå ud i en masse flueknepperi om formuleringer, jeg ville blot sige, at du med den kommentar ikke kan bebrejde hende for hendes reaktion.